Liebe Freunde!

Mein Name ist Zlatko Loncar (auch Sadbhuj Gour das), sicherlich erinnert Ihr Euch an die "Hare Krishna Story" von Slowenien. Ich arbeite seit mehreren Wochen mit den Medien in Slowenien und Kroatien zusammen. Viele beobachten das, und so auch Mr. Tim Lee (auch Puranjana das), der das gleiche zur Zeit in Amerika tut, und die Sache bei uns mitverfolgt. Sein bester Freund Sulochana das schrieb ein Buch über Kindesmisshandlung, Geldwäsche und Kriminalität in der Hare Krischna Bewegung Iskcon. Das Buch heisst "The Guru Business". Zwei Tage nach Vollendung des Buches wurde er umgebracht. Ebenso vorher sein kleiner Sohn, der im Teich (ca. 20 cm tief) "ertrunken" ist, weil er nicht schwimmen konnte. Dies geschah in "New Vrindavan", Amerika, einem der grössten Iskcon Tempel der Welt zu der der Zeit, und mittlerweile wieder. Tim Lee (Puranjana das) wurde vom FBI gewarnt, dass Iskcon vorhat, ihn umzubringen. Ich habe auch sehr grosse Angst, dass mich Iskcon umbringt, wenn die Medien aufhören über die Skandale zu berichten. Mittlerweile bekam ich schon den zweiten Brief von Tim Lee, wo er mich indirekt warnte, dass die Möglichkeit besteht, dass mich die Chef-Gurus umbringen lassen werden. Die haben mehr als genug Geld, um einen Killer zu bezahlen, der die schmutzige Arbeit verrichtet. Das meiste Geld, von dem die Sekte und ihre korrupten Pseudo-Gurus leben, kommt leider aus Deutschland. Ich kenne diese Sekte schon seit zwölf Jahren, und falls Ihr die Möglichkeit habt, in einem grösseren TV Sender gegen die Sekte zu propagieren, könnte ich die blutige Geschichte als Kenner und Ex-Insider aufdecken, pädophile Gurus, Kinder- Vergewaltigungen von homosexuellen Pseudo-Gurus, die innerhalb Iskcon als Jesus Christus glorifiziert wurden, Mordaufträge, die von den Pseudo Gurus ausgehen, Geldwäsche, Drogen etc. Glaubt mir, "Freitag, der Dreizehnte" (dieser Horrorfilm) ist harmlos dagegen. Die Leute werden danach sehr vorsichtig werden, dieser Sekte gegenüber. Ich würde auch über die Erfahrungen meiner Frau Anita in der Sekte sprechen, und meine Angst um mein Leben und das meines dreijährigen Sohnes. Wenn, sie mich schon umbringen, dann soll die Öffentlichkeit darueber Bescheid wissen, und abgeschreckt sein, in diese Horrorsekte einzusteigen. Ich will betonen, dass ich selber ein (Hare Krischna) Hindu, Gaudya Vaishnava bin, ich gehöre zu dem indischen Brahmanenorden. Ich wurde vom indischen Pabst (in Indien nennt man das Acarya) in diesen Orden eingeweiht. Was bei den Hindu-Vaishnavas ein Acarya ist, ist bei Buddhisten der Dalai Lama, bei den Moslems der Hodscha, bei den römisch Katholiken der Papst, etc. Die Religion der Hare Krischnas ist ok, und wir wollen sie auch nicht angreifen. Das schlimme ist nur, das diese Religion von den verschiedenen Sektenführer als Schild benutzt wird. Ich will auch betonen, das Iskcon den indischen Vaishnava-Acarya nicht anerkennt. Genausowenig die christlichen Heiligen, wie z.B. Mutter Teresa, deren Tod auch uns Hindus alle sehr betroffen hat. Ein Iskcon Guru erklärte sie vor ein paar Tagen zum DÄMON, weil sie Fleisch gegessen hatte. Das hörten wir von Freunden, die dort waren. Diese Erklärung gebe ich deswegen ab, weil Iskcon in Deutschland als eine Religion anerkannt werden will, und ihren Glauben als eine 5000 Jahre Tradition präsentieren will. Aber wenn sie das traduitionelle Oberhaupt ihrer Religion nicht anerkennen wollen, sind sie genauso gut, wie die "Zeugen Jehovas" bei den Christen. Wir verlangten von ihnen nur eine Entschuldigung und Entschädigung (die Summe konnten sie sogar selbst bestimmen) und jetzt müssen wir dafür um unser Leben bangen. Ihr könnt das ruhig in Eure Homepages reinschreiben und jedem erzählen. Die Leute sollen ruhig wissen, was passiert, wenn sie sich mit den "freundlichen" Hare Krischnas (Iskcon) einlassen.
Ich würde mich freuen Eure Meinung darüber zu hören.
Verbleibe bis auf hoffentlich bald,
Euer Zlatko Loncar von Cvetkovitch und Kordisch
e-mail:
Loncar.of.Cvetkovitch@comtron.si
Sadbhuja.gaudyamath@comtron.si

Hier die Warnungen (oder besser der Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl) meines guten Freundes Tim Lee (Puranjana das), der auch gegen Kriminalität in Iskcon kämpft.

Dear Prabhus, pammho. agtsp.
News is now on Television in Slovenia. This is a prudent move on the part of the devotees in Slovenia.
After Sulochana said he would go silent, I said, "Then they will kill you." That is what happened. So, once the Slovenia devotees got threats, their only option was to: make even more noise and go public.
A wise [and healthy] choice. We do not recommend taking on the folks whose own guru complained they were killing him, by yourself. Get the media, or whovoer will help you, and go forward--but not alone. This "alone" policy is why I think that Taru, Chatur Bahu and who knows who else, are gone?
Now, as for those who do not like to make it a public issue, those who want to make it a devotee issue, good, so when are you going to speak up and demand this justice for all? Srila Prabhupada said you must protect the brahmanas, the women, the children and the cows. If all of these are being banned, beaten, harassed, molested, kicked out, insulted, character assassintated, threatened, excommunicated, and yes, even killed, then you have no society. Sorry to burst the little bubble here!
I also apologize for not giving personal messages to all of the mail and snail mail. To be honest, I'm sometimes swamped with making poison tapes, making a larger poison paper, making other literatures, reprinting stuff, and etc. Please give me small and specific questions and we'll get to them easier. You can also call me at: 310-279-1070, California USA time zone.

Thanks, PD

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(Vamanajana dasa):
Hare Bol! All Glories to His Divine Grace Srila Praphupada. I Just recieved another of your news letters. There was one part of the news letter that a devotee was voiceing some very strong concerns over the fall out to Praphupada's movement from your activities.

[PADA: First of all, the historical reason that the Hare Krishna movement in the world has such a bad name is because the GBC added homosexual pedophiles, criminals, and murderers to the parampara, by crooked and violent tactics.
And the founding fathers, voters and re-instators of those horrific deviations are still being worshipped everyday in ISKCON. I'd like to first point out: that this is not my doing.... ?
And the reason that so much shunning, banning, contrived excommunions, molestations, bad publicity, murders, beating, rapes of boys, and all kinds of criminality went on for 20 years is simple: folks like you sat back, silently aquiesing to those activities, smugly thinking you were so advanced ...to see almost all of the children in some schools molested, the reputation going to hell, etc.?
"Maunam samyam rakshati" Srila Prabhupada says, "silence means acceptance [or protection]." Even in ordinary California State law, if a crime is being commited, you have to help or call the police, it is called "The Good Samaritan" law. But you guys sit back, so you are therefore bad samitans by this principle? Maunam (silence); Samyam (same as); raksha (protecting the evil doers).
Meanwhile, ordinary folks wonder, why haven't the "spiritual devotees" come forward to fix this? Because, some of them at least, they are too busy sitting around patting themselves on the back for how transcendent they are?
"100 molestations, and we said nothing, 200 molestations, and we said nothing, 300 molestations, and we said nothing, even if there were one million molestations, I still wonder, you'd have said nothing? Yet "aren't we wonderful"? I'm supposed to be impressed right?
And so the actual and unfortunate history is that folks like myself, Yasodanandana, Sulochana and others are the ones who had to launch the protest, and initially we are the ones who spoke up about this.

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And immediately, Satsvarupa and others began to say that their homosexual pedophile gurus are equal to Jesus, to counter our complaint, so in sum, they wanted to get us killed. And they did with Sulochana and almost did with me.

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Why were we the ones who were threatened with death? Because you did not help us. So the GBC still says that we are a "few isolated cranks," and the result was (and is?) that the molestations just went on. Now, as it turns out, some of that party may have poisoned Srila Prabhupada as well. Again, I had nothing to do with ANY of this, yet you are blaming the messenger?
Also, you failed to comment, why have the "poison tapes" been hidden so long, and why is it that we have to be the ones to bring them out? Why haven't YOU investigated this topic? Come down from your tower, why not: you do it?
Don't you even care that your master said he was poisoned? You don't seem to even care a fig for his statements about this, yet you claim to be his follower? He said he was feeling mental distress because he was being poisoned, and you claim to be his sincere follower, and you do not even care for his feelings? I may be a demon, as you say, but I am not a rock or a stone, I have feelings for anyone who says they think they are being poisoned, especially my master.
Even some "karmis" are ordering his poison tape. They want to hear what he said. But you?: nada, zip, nothing, but complaints. You say we are demons because we find this a concern; "Someone poisoned our father" (that is what he said), so if anyone points that out, you attack him?
Even in ordinary life, if a father says he is being poisoned, the sons are deeply concerned. This is called human consciousness. Your party, on the other hand, gets angry when we report that our father was poisoned, and instead you call us ill names and demons? In other words, it appears that you are supportive of the folks that he was exactly complaining about: those who had poisoned him? Well, to each his own here, but I for one do not support the folks behind these types of activity, and also hiding the evidence and intimidating the witnesses, like GBC mobsters are now doing.]

(Vamanajana)
Your never answered any of her/his concerns and these are concerns many of us have concerning your activities. You are doing much more harm to Praphupada and His mission that good.

[PADA: The official so-called GBC's ISKCON, or what is advertised as Srila Prabhupada's movement, says openly that homosexual pedophiles and their voters are members of the parampara. So, first of all, what is Srila Prabhupada's movement? We Prabhupadanugas are making hundreds of devotees of Srila Prabhupada, maybe that is not a lot, but that is a thousand percent more than ISKCON has made in the same time frame].

(Vamanajana)
It reminds me of the doctor who was bragging about a succesful operation he had performed only proplem was the patient died.

[PADA: Our Prabhupadanuga devotees are not dead, (?) they are preaching that the parampara is pure, that there are no pedophiles in it, etc. Why are you saying that they are all dead? You are in your tower passing judgement on all of them? And the number is increasing everyday, even some folks in ISKCON say they agree fully with us.]

(Vamanajana)
You failed completely to answer any of her/his concerns. Your so rapped up in your self that you fail to think about what harm you might be doing to us out here.

[PADA: Well, you have shown no conceren whatever for Srila Prabhupada's complaint that he is being posioned? Where is you concern first of all? Even as some of us were folding the "poison" leaflet on a city bus, some karmis were startled and they wanted the poison leaflet, and once a few took it, ten more of them immediately wanted it.
They were concerned, "Oh, he said he was poisoned!" Thus it appears that even the meat department worker has more heart and concsiousness than some of you? That is why Srila Prabhupada said that: simply being vegetarian, even the pigeon is a vegetarian. So you have to have some human sentiment first of all, otherwise, then what is the use?]

(Vamanajana)
From you retoric you seem to care less about any of your god brothers/sisters concerns with what you are doing.

[PADA: We don't know what you are thinking unless you talk to us? We never said that we could read your mind?

Vielleicht bin ich auch schon auf folgender Liste?!
Z. Loncar v. Cvetkovitch und Kordisch

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So, from my point of view, for 20 years you have said nothing while I'm getting banned, threats, and my friend is killed, children are getting molested (ad infinitum), and the FBI says I'm next on their "let's kill a devotee" wish list, and so on.

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Now you come down from your tower to lecture me? That's very nice but you have not said anything up till now, so how can you expect me to know what you think? From your tone, it seems that you would have been very happy if the false appointees / devotee killers / guru poisoners / molester beeja sucession had killed me? Am I supposed to be impressed? Honest prabhu, I do not get your point here?]

(Vamanajana)
If you think you have support from the majority of the everyday silent devotees your are sadly mistaken. I live in an area were many other devotees also live and I own a resturuant there.

[PADA: Well, what is a devotee then? Actually, any man on the street will immediately agree with us that molesters [and their henchmen supporters like Hridayananda] are not, were not, could not have been gurus. Jane Wallace of CBS news told me that she would have tossed Kirtananda's seat over right in front of everyone in her Church [when she filmed him being massaged by 50 boys at New Vrindavana].

She is fearless and wants to keep her Church pure, now what does that say about your wonderful silence? She thinks you all wanted to promote worship of molesters and that is why she was glad to have met us. Your silence looks like you are encouraging the wrong doers? That is what it looks like.]

(Vamanajana)
I have most of the devotees comeing in for prasdam quite regularly. We don't have an ISKCON center here nor are we connected in any way to the GBC. Your activities have come up a few times and you are not a vey well liked person. Many of if not most of us agree with many of the statements you make of the failure of the GBC to properly manage Praphupada's movement. But unlike you we have faith in Krsna. I believe He tells us that not a blade of grass moves with out his OK. So what to speak of his Pure Devotees mission.

[PADA: Well, this is odd? There are hundreds of Prabhupadangas, are they not also part of Krishna? Are they not also moving as Krishna moves them? What is your point? Are they moving from some non-Krishna source? No, the blade of grass is moving, and so are the Prabhupadanugas also moving, because of Krishna? What is your point?
It seems that Srila Prabhupada should have stayed in India by your logic? Are you saying he should have had "faith" that Krishna is--also--in New York City, so why should I bother going there? No. Because the devotees do things FOR Krishna, not sitting in their tower.
Anyway, Srila Prabhupada says that Krishna does not like to do the work, He wants His devotees to do the work. He could have wiped out Kurukshetra Himself, but no, He wanted Arjuna to do it.
You've got it backwards, you say you are not going to lift a finger for Krishna, you think He's your servant? I doubt this? So you have deputed Him to do your dirty work, He's got to do the work of cleaning up YOUR Church's mess? What is this?
Or, suppose someone walks into your Church with dog-stool on his shoes? Now, you can be a nice servant devotee and clean it up yourself, or you can leave it alone and eventually, by the process of drying and air, it will no longer stink because "Krishna will serve you" by cleaing it up Himself by His energies. So, that is our eternal choice, we can clean things FOR Krishna, or we can sit on our tails and let Him clean it up?. But, guess whose job it is?]

(Vamanajana)
You seem more intent on being the center of attention than any thing else. You are always comparing your self to the Pandavas and bragging how everyone is out to get you. You have become a legend in your own mind. I can't believe that you can actualy compare the garbage you pass out with Praphupada's Books. You brag about how your distriputing, well when was the last time you went and spend the day for weeks or months at a time distriputing His Divine Graces Books. Yet your stupid self grandiz-ment activities puts His book distriputors in danger of losing the ability to do thier service.

[PADA: First of all, the GBC is changing the books, so one has to discuss: what are Srila Prabhupada's books and who has the authority to change them? As far as our publications, we have had hundreds of folks tell us they like them, and as a result, they've accepted Srila Prabhupada as their guru.
Again, we've made hundreds of Prabhupada devotees in the past 20 years and the GBC has made zero, because they preach that you have to have a guru from their homosexual and pedophile guru lineage. In sum, were are not legends in our own minds, we're small, but we're being effective gradually.]

(Vamanajana)
What is it you want to do shut down ISKCON completely. I pray that you wake up a and see that your as bad if not worse then that which your complaing about.

[PADA: Again, what is ISKCON? Are the advocates of the homosexual lineage ISKCON? We think not. How can we shut down Lord Chaitanya's Movement anyways?]

(Vamanajana)
I know you have much better writing ablities than I do and I have poor diction and worse spelling, and you can probly tear me apart in your answer to this. But believe me most everyday devotees think of you as loud mouth fool and many think worse that your a real demon in every sense of the word.

I firmly believe that the Lord will take care of all these proplems in is own way and in is own time and I think your going to be one of the Proplems he takes care of.

[PADA: Well, if Krishna is going to clean up your restaurant, because you think that is His job, I'd not want to eat there, and if He wants to come and kill me as you seem to feel that He does, that would be very nice.]

Vamanajana Dasa
Desciple of His Divine Grace Srila Praphupada who lives for ever in His Books

BITTE VERSCHICKT DIESEN GESAMTEN BRIEF AN ALLE WEITERE SEKTENBEAUFTRAGTEN UND INTERESSIERTE, DIE IHR KENNT, IM IN- UND AUSLAND. TAUSEND DANK, EUER ZLATKO