Liebe Freunde!
Mein Name ist Zlatko Loncar (auch Sadbhuj Gour das), sicherlich
erinnert Ihr Euch an die "Hare Krishna Story" von Slowenien. Ich
arbeite seit mehreren Wochen mit den Medien in Slowenien und Kroatien
zusammen. Viele beobachten das, und so auch Mr. Tim Lee (auch
Puranjana das), der das gleiche zur Zeit in Amerika tut, und die
Sache bei uns mitverfolgt. Sein bester Freund Sulochana das schrieb
ein Buch über Kindesmisshandlung, Geldwäsche und Kriminalität in
der Hare Krischna Bewegung Iskcon. Das Buch heisst "The Guru
Business". Zwei Tage nach Vollendung des Buches wurde er umgebracht.
Ebenso vorher sein kleiner Sohn, der im Teich (ca. 20 cm tief)
"ertrunken" ist, weil er nicht schwimmen konnte. Dies geschah in "New
Vrindavan", Amerika, einem der grössten Iskcon Tempel der Welt zu
der der Zeit, und mittlerweile wieder. Tim Lee (Puranjana das) wurde
vom FBI gewarnt, dass Iskcon vorhat, ihn umzubringen. Ich habe auch
sehr grosse Angst, dass mich Iskcon umbringt, wenn die Medien
aufhören über die Skandale zu berichten. Mittlerweile bekam ich
schon den zweiten Brief von Tim Lee, wo er mich indirekt warnte, dass
die Möglichkeit besteht, dass mich die Chef-Gurus umbringen lassen
werden. Die haben mehr als genug Geld, um einen Killer zu bezahlen,
der die schmutzige Arbeit verrichtet. Das meiste Geld, von dem die
Sekte und ihre korrupten Pseudo-Gurus leben, kommt leider aus
Deutschland. Ich kenne diese Sekte schon seit zwölf Jahren, und
falls Ihr die Möglichkeit habt, in einem grösseren TV Sender gegen
die Sekte zu propagieren, könnte ich die blutige Geschichte als
Kenner und Ex-Insider aufdecken, pädophile Gurus, Kinder-
Vergewaltigungen von homosexuellen Pseudo-Gurus, die innerhalb Iskcon
als Jesus Christus glorifiziert wurden, Mordaufträge, die von den
Pseudo Gurus ausgehen, Geldwäsche, Drogen etc. Glaubt mir, "Freitag,
der Dreizehnte" (dieser Horrorfilm) ist harmlos dagegen. Die Leute
werden danach sehr vorsichtig werden, dieser Sekte gegenüber. Ich
würde auch über die Erfahrungen meiner Frau Anita in der Sekte
sprechen, und meine Angst um mein Leben und das meines dreijährigen Sohnes. Wenn, sie mich schon umbringen, dann soll die
Öffentlichkeit darueber Bescheid wissen, und abgeschreckt sein, in
diese Horrorsekte einzusteigen. Ich will betonen, dass ich selber ein
(Hare Krischna) Hindu, Gaudya Vaishnava bin, ich gehöre zu dem
indischen Brahmanenorden. Ich wurde vom indischen Pabst (in Indien
nennt man das Acarya) in diesen Orden eingeweiht. Was bei den
Hindu-Vaishnavas ein Acarya ist, ist bei Buddhisten der Dalai Lama,
bei den Moslems der Hodscha, bei den römisch Katholiken der Papst,
etc. Die Religion der Hare Krischnas ist ok, und wir wollen sie auch
nicht angreifen. Das schlimme ist nur, das diese Religion von den
verschiedenen Sektenführer als Schild benutzt wird. Ich will auch
betonen, das Iskcon den indischen Vaishnava-Acarya nicht anerkennt.
Genausowenig die christlichen Heiligen, wie z.B. Mutter Teresa,
deren Tod auch uns Hindus alle sehr betroffen hat. Ein Iskcon Guru
erklärte sie vor ein paar Tagen zum DÄMON, weil sie Fleisch
gegessen hatte. Das hörten wir von Freunden, die dort waren.
Diese Erklärung gebe ich deswegen ab, weil Iskcon in
Deutschland als eine Religion anerkannt werden will, und ihren
Glauben als eine 5000 Jahre Tradition präsentieren will. Aber wenn
sie das traduitionelle Oberhaupt ihrer Religion nicht anerkennen
wollen, sind sie genauso gut, wie die "Zeugen Jehovas" bei den
Christen. Wir verlangten von ihnen nur eine Entschuldigung und
Entschädigung (die Summe konnten sie sogar selbst bestimmen) und
jetzt müssen wir dafür um unser Leben bangen. Ihr könnt das ruhig
in Eure Homepages reinschreiben und jedem erzählen. Die Leute sollen
ruhig wissen, was passiert, wenn sie sich mit den "freundlichen"
Hare Krischnas (Iskcon) einlassen.
Ich würde mich freuen Eure Meinung darüber zu hören.
Verbleibe bis auf hoffentlich bald,
Euer Zlatko Loncar von Cvetkovitch und Kordisch
e-mail:
Loncar.of.Cvetkovitch@comtron.si
Sadbhuja.gaudyamath@comtron.si
Hier die Warnungen (oder besser der Wink mit dem Zaunpfahl) meines
guten Freundes Tim Lee (Puranjana das), der auch gegen Kriminalität
in Iskcon kämpft.
Dear Prabhus, pammho. agtsp.
News is now on Television in Slovenia. This is a prudent
move on the part of the devotees in Slovenia.
After Sulochana said he would go silent, I said, "Then
they will kill you." That is what happened. So, once the
Slovenia devotees got threats, their only option was to:
make even more noise and go public.
A wise [and healthy] choice. We do not recommend taking
on the folks whose own guru complained they were killing him,
by yourself. Get the media, or whovoer will help you, and
go forward--but not alone. This "alone" policy is why I think
that Taru, Chatur Bahu and who knows who else, are gone?
Now, as for those who do not like to make it a public issue,
those who want to make it a devotee issue, good, so when are
you going to speak up and demand this justice for all? Srila
Prabhupada said you must protect the brahmanas, the women, the
children and the cows. If all of these are being banned, beaten,
harassed, molested, kicked out, insulted, character assassintated,
threatened, excommunicated, and yes, even killed, then you have no
society. Sorry to burst the little bubble here!
I also apologize for not giving personal messages to all of
the mail and snail mail. To be honest, I'm sometimes swamped
with making poison tapes, making a larger poison paper, making
other literatures, reprinting stuff, and etc. Please give me
small and specific questions and we'll get to them easier. You
can also call me at: 310-279-1070, California USA time zone.
Thanks, PD
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(Vamanajana dasa):
Hare Bol! All Glories to His Divine Grace Srila Praphupada.
I Just recieved another of your news letters. There was one
part of the news letter that a devotee was voiceing some very strong
concerns over the fall out to Praphupada's movement from your
activities.
[PADA: First of all, the historical reason that the Hare Krishna
movement in the world has such a bad name is because the GBC added
homosexual pedophiles, criminals, and murderers to the parampara, by
crooked and violent tactics.
And the founding fathers, voters and re-instators of those horrific
deviations are still being worshipped everyday in ISKCON. I'd like to
first point out: that this is not my doing.... ?
And the reason that so much shunning, banning, contrived
excommunions,
molestations, bad publicity, murders, beating, rapes of boys, and all
kinds of criminality went on for 20 years is simple: folks like you
sat back, silently aquiesing to those activities, smugly thinking you
were so advanced ...to see almost all of the children in some schools
molested, the reputation going to hell, etc.?
"Maunam samyam rakshati" Srila Prabhupada says, "silence means
acceptance [or protection]." Even in ordinary California State law, if
a crime is being commited, you have to help or call the police, it is
called "The Good Samaritan" law. But you guys sit back, so you are
therefore bad samitans by this principle? Maunam (silence); Samyam
(same as); raksha (protecting the evil doers).
Meanwhile, ordinary folks wonder, why haven't the "spiritual
devotees"
come forward to fix this? Because, some of them at least, they are too
busy sitting around patting themselves on the back for how
transcendent they are?
"100 molestations, and we said nothing, 200 molestations, and we
said
nothing, 300 molestations, and we said nothing, even if there were one
million molestations, I still wonder, you'd have said nothing? Yet
"aren't we wonderful"? I'm supposed to be impressed right?
And so the actual and unfortunate history is that folks like
myself,
Yasodanandana, Sulochana and others are the ones who had to launch the
protest, and initially we are the ones who spoke up about this.
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And
immediately, Satsvarupa and others began to say that their homosexual
pedophile gurus are equal to Jesus, to counter our complaint, so in
sum, they wanted to get us killed. And they did with Sulochana and
almost did with me.
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Why were we the ones who were threatened with death? Because you
did not help us. So the GBC still says that we are a "few isolated
cranks," and the result was (and is?) that the molestations just went
on. Now, as it turns out, some of that party may have poisoned
Srila Prabhupada as well. Again, I had nothing to do with ANY of this,
yet you are blaming the messenger?
Also, you failed to comment, why have the "poison tapes" been
hidden so
long, and why is it that we have to be the ones to bring them out? Why
haven't YOU investigated this topic? Come down from your tower, why
not: you do it?
Don't you even care that your master said he was poisoned? You
don't
seem to even care a fig for his statements about this, yet you claim
to be his follower? He said he was feeling mental distress because he
was being poisoned, and you claim to be his sincere follower, and you
do not even care for his feelings? I may be a demon, as you say, but I
am not a rock or a stone, I have feelings for anyone who says they
think they are being poisoned, especially my master.
Even some "karmis" are ordering his poison tape. They want to hear
what
he said. But you?: nada, zip, nothing, but complaints.
You say we are demons because we find this a concern; "Someone
poisoned our father" (that is what he said), so if anyone points that
out, you attack him?
Even in ordinary life, if a father says he is being poisoned, the
sons
are deeply concerned. This is called human consciousness. Your party,
on the other hand, gets angry when we report that our father was
poisoned, and instead you call us ill names and demons? In other
words, it appears that you are supportive of the folks that he was
exactly complaining about: those who had poisoned him?
Well, to each his own here, but I for one do not support the folks
behind these types of activity, and also hiding the evidence and
intimidating the witnesses, like GBC mobsters are now doing.]
(Vamanajana)
Your never answered any of her/his concerns and these are concerns
many of us have concerning your activities. You are doing much more
harm to Praphupada and His mission that good.
[PADA: The official so-called GBC's ISKCON, or what is advertised
as
Srila Prabhupada's movement, says openly that homosexual pedophiles
and their voters are members of the parampara. So, first of all, what
is Srila Prabhupada's movement? We Prabhupadanugas are making hundreds
of devotees of Srila Prabhupada, maybe that is not a lot, but that is
a thousand percent more than ISKCON has made in the same time frame].
(Vamanajana)
It reminds me of the doctor who was bragging about a succesful
operation he had performed only proplem was the patient died.
[PADA: Our Prabhupadanuga devotees are not dead, (?) they are
preaching
that the parampara is pure, that there are no pedophiles in it, etc.
Why are you saying that they are all dead? You are in your tower
passing judgement on all of them? And the number is increasing
everyday, even some folks in ISKCON say they agree fully with us.]
(Vamanajana)
You failed completely to answer any of her/his concerns.
Your so rapped up in your self that you fail to think about
what harm you might be doing to us out here.
[PADA: Well, you have shown no conceren whatever for Srila
Prabhupada's
complaint that he is being posioned? Where is you concern first of
all? Even as some of us were folding the "poison" leaflet on a city
bus, some karmis were startled and they wanted the poison leaflet, and
once a few took it, ten more of them immediately wanted it.
They were concerned, "Oh, he said he was poisoned!" Thus it appears
that
even the meat department worker has more heart and concsiousness than
some of you? That is why Srila Prabhupada said that: simply being
vegetarian, even the pigeon is a vegetarian. So you have to have some
human sentiment first of all, otherwise, then what is the use?]
(Vamanajana)
From you retoric you seem to care less about any of your god
brothers/sisters concerns with what you are doing.
[PADA: We don't know what you are thinking unless you talk to us?
We
never said that we could read your mind?
Vielleicht bin ich auch schon auf folgender Liste?!
Z. Loncar v. Cvetkovitch und Kordisch
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So, from my point of view, for 20 years you have said nothing while
I'm getting banned, threats, and my friend is killed, children are
getting molested (ad infinitum), and the FBI says I'm next on their
"let's kill a devotee" wish list, and so on.
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Now you come down from your tower to lecture me? That's very nice
but
you have not said anything up till now, so how can you expect me to
know what you think? From your tone, it seems that you would have been
very happy if the false appointees / devotee killers / guru poisoners
/ molester beeja sucession had killed me? Am I supposed to be
impressed? Honest prabhu, I do not get your point here?]
(Vamanajana)
If you think you have support from the majority of the
everyday silent devotees your are sadly mistaken. I live in an area
were many other devotees also live and I own a resturuant there.
[PADA: Well, what is a devotee then? Actually, any man on the
street
will immediately agree with us that molesters [and their henchmen
supporters like Hridayananda] are not, were not, could not have been
gurus. Jane Wallace of CBS news told me that she would have tossed
Kirtananda's seat over right in front of everyone in her Church [when
she filmed him being massaged by 50 boys at New Vrindavana].
She is fearless and wants to keep her Church pure, now what does
that
say about your wonderful silence? She thinks you all wanted to promote
worship of molesters and that is why she was glad to have met us. Your
silence looks like you are encouraging the wrong doers? That is what
it looks like.]
(Vamanajana)
I have most of the devotees comeing in for prasdam quite
regularly. We don't have an ISKCON center here nor are we connected
in any way to the GBC. Your activities have come up a few times and
you are not a vey well liked person. Many of if not most of us agree
with many of the statements you make of the failure of the GBC to
properly manage Praphupada's movement. But unlike you we have faith
in Krsna. I believe He tells us that not a blade of grass moves with
out his OK. So what to speak of his Pure Devotees mission.
[PADA: Well, this is odd? There are hundreds of Prabhupadangas, are
they
not also part of Krishna? Are they not also moving as Krishna moves
them? What is your point? Are they moving from some non-Krishna
source? No, the blade of grass is moving, and so are the
Prabhupadanugas also moving, because of Krishna? What is your point?
It seems that Srila Prabhupada should have stayed in India by your
logic? Are you saying he should have had "faith" that Krishna
is--also--in New York City, so why should I bother going there? No.
Because the devotees do things FOR Krishna, not sitting in their
tower.
Anyway, Srila Prabhupada says that Krishna does not like to do the
work,
He wants His devotees to do the work. He could have wiped out
Kurukshetra Himself, but no, He wanted Arjuna to do it.
You've got it backwards, you say you are not going to lift a finger
for
Krishna, you think He's your servant? I doubt this?
So you have deputed Him to do your dirty work, He's got to do the work
of cleaning up YOUR Church's mess? What is this?
Or, suppose someone walks into your Church with dog-stool on his
shoes?
Now, you can be a nice servant devotee and clean it up yourself, or
you can leave it alone and eventually, by the process of drying and
air, it will no longer stink because "Krishna will serve you" by
cleaing it up Himself by His energies. So, that is our eternal choice,
we can clean things FOR Krishna, or we can sit on our tails and let
Him clean it up?. But, guess whose job it is?]
(Vamanajana)
You seem more intent on being the center of attention than
any thing else. You are always comparing your self to the
Pandavas and bragging how everyone is out to get you. You have become
a legend in your own mind. I can't believe that you can actualy
compare the garbage you pass out with Praphupada's Books. You brag
about how your distriputing, well when was the last time you went and
spend the day for weeks or months at a time distriputing His Divine
Graces Books. Yet your stupid self grandiz-ment activities puts His
book distriputors in danger of losing the ability to do thier service.
[PADA: First of all, the GBC is changing the books, so one has to
discuss: what are Srila Prabhupada's books and who has the authority
to change them? As far as our publications, we have had hundreds of
folks tell us they like them, and as a result, they've accepted Srila
Prabhupada as their guru.
Again, we've made hundreds of Prabhupada devotees in the past 20
years
and the GBC has made zero, because they preach that you have to have a
guru from their homosexual and pedophile guru lineage. In sum, were
are not legends in our own minds, we're small, but we're being
effective gradually.]
(Vamanajana)
What is it you want to do shut down ISKCON completely. I
pray that you wake up a and see that your as bad if not worse
then that which your complaing about.
[PADA: Again, what is ISKCON? Are the advocates of the homosexual
lineage ISKCON? We think not. How can we shut down Lord Chaitanya's
Movement anyways?]
(Vamanajana)
I know you have much better writing ablities than I do and I
have poor diction and worse spelling, and you can probly tear
me apart in your answer to this. But believe me most everyday
devotees think of you as loud mouth fool and many think worse that
your a real demon in every sense of the word.
I firmly believe that the Lord will take care of all these proplems in
is own way and in is own time and I think your going to be one of the
Proplems he takes care of.
[PADA: Well, if Krishna is going to clean up your restaurant, because
you think that is His job, I'd not want to eat there, and if He wants
to come and kill me as you seem to feel that He does, that would be
very nice.]
Vamanajana Dasa
Desciple of His Divine Grace Srila Praphupada who lives for
ever in His Books
BITTE VERSCHICKT DIESEN GESAMTEN BRIEF AN ALLE
WEITERE SEKTENBEAUFTRAGTEN UND INTERESSIERTE,
DIE IHR KENNT, IM IN- UND AUSLAND.
TAUSEND DANK, EUER ZLATKO